just as furious, but a bit more reasoned this time

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This is almost exactly how I feel. I am not very knowledgable about politics but when, for me, Bush stopped being someone to be made fun of for his idiotic mumblings and someone who just sucked, and became someone I despise and am sickened by, who I actually think is evil AND stupid, that is pretty bad. For a while now I keep thinking, what is the answer? How is real change going to come about? Revolt? and you answered it right there for me. we're fucked.

Watch the new Oblermann commentary. He says it all. And hey, if he's not in Gitmo yet you may be safe. ;-)
The Democrat's majority isn't enough for the 2/3s needed to overcome a presidential veto, so that really limits what they can accomplish.

Not that I'm claiming to have sighted political spines anywhere.

I've also been trying to think why I'm upset, since of course it's not as if they care about public opinion, the legal system, justice, or much of anything else.

What I come up with is that, in the face of incredible odds, we actually got one of these goons good and proper.
Certainly not for everything he's done.
Certainly not one of the big dogs.
But we finally got one of the snivelling little bastards.
Oops, no we didn't.
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Right there with you. I sent email to my Representatives in Congress saying much the same thing. I know it probably won't amount to much, but I had to do it before I drove myself nuts....
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Thanks for standing up and re-posting; you're even better without all the F-bombs. And use of "Junta" FTW.

The thing is, use of presidential power to commute, pardon, or otherwise interfere with judicial branch efforts was seen, even at its inception, as being dangerously close to providing a class-based system where friends of the executive branch could be let off the hook. We've seen that with other pardons, even with Clinton, but this is the first time we've seen someone called on the carpet for what should be an act of treason (!!!) found guilty, and given a Get Out of Jail Free card by Bush.

We need to be angry. We need to realize that this elitist, classist regime has spit in our face and expects us to grin and take it.
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Good man Wil, good man.

Anyone got a link for new Olbermann?

It's posted on my blog -- just click the pic.
Your blog has too much in it to debate in this forum. Certainly your feelings are evident. One fallacy in logic however: as any teacher or parent can tell you, treating everyone the same is not the same thing as treating everyone fairly. Is justice served by using a sledgehammer to kill a dead fly? Is this any different than when Clinton was left off the hook for lying to Congress and obstructing justice? As I recall at that time half the people were calling for his head and throw him jail and the other half was saying it was no big deal. I think the bigger problem is in the local and state politics where the impact is more personal and immediate.
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Speaking of fallacies.
Let's take a look.

1) I really don't think opinion was "half and half" with Clinton.
I think this was, in fact, the sledgehammer and the fly
The Republicans wasted millions of our tax dollars to uncover a man lying about extra-marital consensual sex between adults, but failed to ignite the populace behind them.
Here's some numbers:

In August and September of 1998, 16 major polls asked about impeaching President Clinton, only 36% supported hearings to consider impeachment, and only 26% supported actual impeachment and removal.
(Source www.democrats.com/clinton-impeachment-polls)

2) I don't think it's half and half now either.
Here are the results of an unscientific, but fun, MSNBC poll. 88% of those applying agreed --"Yes, between the secret spying, the deceptions leading to war, and more, there is plenty to justify putting him on trial."
(www.msnbc.msn.com/id/10562904).

Probably of course, the actual number is lower, since an online news outlet poll privileges the informed, and thus under-represents Bush supporters.
(Okay, that was snarky.)

3) "Is this any different than when Clinton was left off the hook for lying to Congress and obstructing Congress."
Hell yes.
Hiding one's own sexual indiscretion is not the same as covering up the treason of others
Yes, Libby "only" lied and obstructed justice, but by doing so he has helped cover a major crime, almost certainly committed by highly placed adminstration figures.

4) "I think the bigger problem is in the local and state politics where the impact is more personal and immediate."
Oh I don't know about this. Seems to me that there are people killed and maimed in Iraq for whom the impact of national politics is personal and immediate.
Oh, and lots of people who used to live in New Orleans too.
I find it very suspicious when anyone suggests that we just stop looking at the guy behind the curtain,.
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Thanks Kathy
I don't like financial skullduggery either.
And I don't know enough about those pardons to know whether it is just more mud-slinging a la Whitewater, or if there is something to it.
And certainly the Republicans are in something of a glass house when it comes to complaining about the financial misconduct of others.
But.
This isn't about Clinton.
At all.
It's about covering up treason in the White House.
When someone outs an active covert agent, people die.
Everyone she ever had lunch with is now in trouble.
And it all boils down to a petty desire for petty revenge from the small-minded poops running our government.

All the bellyaching in the world over what Clinton did or didn't do is just a red herring.
It, Doesn't. Matter.



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While I understand and appreciate your concerns, I fret about impeaching our Commander-In-Chief with a 170k GI's dodging IEDs. There's the time line too. While one could argue prima facie and rightly so, the fact is impeachment is a political call and unless the democrat's want to step on their collective dicks like the GOP did v Clinton,due diligence takes time.

Now a hard and articulate censure ..... I can go for that.

regards,

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